Posts by Fred Franztone

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Since leaving the JW Organization, who is believing?

by Issa in

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i left the jw organization last year during summer.

maybe some of you can relate.

who of you are agnostic or an atheist?

Fred Franztone

I think people who are born-in and then leave are more likely to become non-believers. If you grow up to develop the right kind of reasoning skills then you're unlikely to simply leave and then join another group or subscribe to another theological belief. The logical thinking that leads you out of the organisation usually leads to atheism, ultimately. That was the case for me, as a born-in who never really believed whole-heartedly.

Those who join the JWs as adults obviously lack the same innate scepticism of religion, as it would prevent them from joining in the first place. So I think those who leave having not been born-in are often likely to move on to some other religion or at least keep believing in god.

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Evolution doesn't happen today...WRONG...

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

last year i had a brother tell me that one proof evolution is false is that he doesn't see it happening today... i was going to bring of viruses evolving so fast that new vaccines must be developed each year but felt he was too closed minded to receive it.

today i was listening to the audio book of 'an ancestors tale- richard dawkins' and noted oe point that shined through.. here is evolution happening>>>.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/05/2/l_052_05.html.

Fred Franztone

The OP is talking specifically about biological evolution, not the woo kind.

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Well...It's 2018 and still no ''Armageddon''

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

1972 : we started studying with the jehovah's witnesses when my uncle became an elder and put fear into our family that armageddon was close.

1974 : my mom, my brother and i were all baptized after all the convention talks and watchtower magazine articles that 1975 would likely end this system of things.

1999 : being told that the year 2000 was going to mark the 6 thousand years of mans existence and that the 1000 year kingdom in the new paradisewould come in the year 2000.

Fred Franztone

It comforts me to think that I've heard zealous talks over the years from people who are probably now here.

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Well...It's 2018 and still no ''Armageddon''

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

1972 : we started studying with the jehovah's witnesses when my uncle became an elder and put fear into our family that armageddon was close.

1974 : my mom, my brother and i were all baptized after all the convention talks and watchtower magazine articles that 1975 would likely end this system of things.

1999 : being told that the year 2000 was going to mark the 6 thousand years of mans existence and that the 1000 year kingdom in the new paradisewould come in the year 2000.

Fred Franztone

Most Christians don't even believe in Armageddon. They see it as a metaphorical battle between good and evil in which there isn't even any fighting, because God has already won. Revelation says the armies are gathered at Armageddon, it never mentions any actual fighting though, people seem to miss that part for some reason.

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Uncovering "GOD"

by Doug Mason in

with self-righteous indignation, the watchtower society (wts) points to its restoration of the hebrew tetragram (hwhy = “yahweh” = = = > “jehovah”) wherever the english translator renders it as “lord”..

the wts complains that the use of “lord” hides the fact that the name (“jehovah” for the wts) is intended.

however, with its call of “look over here, look over here”, the wts diverts attention, probably unintentionally, from related information that it, in turn, does not reveal..

Fred Franztone

I know, but there's no evidence of any connection at all.

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Singing todays WT

by road to nowhere in

the jist was that we all should sing.

then the first 6 or 8 paragraphs describe how early bible accounts have trained and set aside musicians to do the singing while everyone else listened.. the songs they have put out have no soul, rhythm, or soothing melodies as a whole.

the old hymns are some real music, even if you don't agree with the "teachings".. there is no admission of poetry using archaic language at times for affect or to add to the rhyme, they have to have everything agree with the grey bible.. anyone speak foreign languages?

Fred Franztone

What a bunch of weirdos they are. They decide that it's finally time to drop some archaic terminology, and the best they can do is shall? That word isn't even out of common useage, I hear people say shall all the time. What utter morons they are. Why don't they drop some of their myriad genuine outmoded words and phrases; marriage mate for instance, no one else on earth uses that creepy term, and it just makes them sound like freaks when they say it.

As for the part about sisters telling people what to do, my brain weeps for these backwards people, they truly do belong in the bronze age. They ought to just go all the way and make sisters sit in the back room during meetings when they're on their periods.

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Uncovering "GOD"

by Doug Mason in

with self-righteous indignation, the watchtower society (wts) points to its restoration of the hebrew tetragram (hwhy = “yahweh” = = = > “jehovah”) wherever the english translator renders it as “lord”..

the wts complains that the use of “lord” hides the fact that the name (“jehovah” for the wts) is intended.

however, with its call of “look over here, look over here”, the wts diverts attention, probably unintentionally, from related information that it, in turn, does not reveal..

Fred Franztone

Enki = Yahweh is a fringe hypothesis with little backing, as far as I'm aware.

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Singing todays WT

by road to nowhere in

the jist was that we all should sing.

then the first 6 or 8 paragraphs describe how early bible accounts have trained and set aside musicians to do the singing while everyone else listened.. the songs they have put out have no soul, rhythm, or soothing melodies as a whole.

the old hymns are some real music, even if you don't agree with the "teachings".. there is no admission of poetry using archaic language at times for affect or to add to the rhyme, they have to have everything agree with the grey bible.. anyone speak foreign languages?

Fred Franztone

Can someone please explain what this is all about? I don't have access to the Watchtower article in question.

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Uncovering "GOD"

by Doug Mason in

with self-righteous indignation, the watchtower society (wts) points to its restoration of the hebrew tetragram (hwhy = “yahweh” = = = > “jehovah”) wherever the english translator renders it as “lord”..

the wts complains that the use of “lord” hides the fact that the name (“jehovah” for the wts) is intended.

however, with its call of “look over here, look over here”, the wts diverts attention, probably unintentionally, from related information that it, in turn, does not reveal..

Fred Franztone

Have JWs ever given an explanation as to why they use Jehovah and not a more ancient or accurate translation of the tetra?

Also, wasn't I am that I am a fraudulent definition, invented in the post-exilic period?

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Anointed Delusions of Grandeur

by Kohanic in

so here is something i've been wondering about.

how do the 'anointed' come to the conclusion that they are chosen?

is it some weird collective delusion of grandeur and how is it manifested in such ones?.

Fred Franztone

The only annointed people I ever met were all ancient and senile. They supposedly had a greater understanding of scripture, but their answers at meetings were always incomprehensible nonsense, and none of them were ever appointed.

Annointed but not appointed.